( But Imperial Succession is nearly same as heir designation so you may want to pick the Religious tax doctrine to get tons of cash. Eldership Succession law is available, Bloodthirsty Gods + Seabound + Unrelenting, Rulers do not receive opinion penalties for raised vassal levies + Syncretism + Meritocracy. They also have access to two special casus belli: Most pagans have defensive attrition, massively reducing the supply limit for non-pagans invading their homeland. Totally fine for religions without 30% levy bonus, but if you want to expand then other natures are better. Partially redundant with Children of Perun doctrine. Bn (Bon) is an indigenous religion of the Tibetan plateau, added in patch 2.8. First two cancel themselves if they are picked together. Pagans being attacked in a holy war by Christians or Muslims may choose to save their realms and end the war by accepting the faith of the invaders. Ruler does not receive opinion penalties for raised vassal levies. If the last two holy sites are difficult to reach, the best way to obtain the necessary moral authority is through county conquests and raids. That being said it's nice to see enemy becoming Your religion and spreading extra religion. Levy size & attack bonus from unreformed Tengri faith will be lost. Reforming the religion removes these restrictions, allowing tribal rulers to use gavelkind and allowing feudal rulers to use primogeniture. Duke-tier religious heads common for all realms. Messalianism because it's the single most outlandish religion in the game. Civilized already removes raised levies penalties to vassal opinion, and Hellenic can raid already. AI looter prefer coastal counties. Im happy to discuss my rankings or analysis with you guys. I like Buddhism because the combination of concubinage and heir-nomination means you can end up with an unbroken line of Strong Genius rulers if you play the genetics game well, but unfortunately they're lousy at expansion. Unyielding also reduces AI aggressiveness, which can be a negative if you want your AI vassals to attack/invade your enemies for you. Table View Card View on Paradox technology, Legal I prefer proselytizing to warmongering, just so I can paint the map in Hellenic pink. With Holy Fury, each pagan faith (except Aztecs) has an associated Warrior Lodge, a society focused on combat. All rights reserved. Gurus. Haruspicy and Astrology effects. Yea i know all that, and i never said i liked it. For example, the average/casual player is probably not going be aggressively bloodline stacking. AI rulers only convert same-group provinces and only when zealous. I find one of the most boring parts of Pagan games is that theres no other friendly or same religion nations, pagan games often end up just being your country vs the world in holy wars. If you want to play tall/stable, Peaceful is often better. By choosing to reform your pagan religion, you will lose all the old advantages such as attrition for enemies and subjugation wars, but gain all the bonuses of a civilized nation. Pagan territories are usually significantly technologically behind all other cultures' territories, with the exception of Germanics having a tremendous lead in shipbuilding at the start of 867, as well as receiving said bonus after some time at the 769 start. In the north, start in Novgorod, Poland, or Kiev and form your corresponding de jure kingdom first, then work your way to the other two holy sites. Is AV and Temporal actually working in conjunction for you or you just marrying into the saints' lines? (Hellenic religion lacks concubines), You can't declare holy wars if You have the peaceful doctrine. Foreign rulers will sometimes send missionaries. These three are weird. Rulers do not receive opinion penalties for raised vassal levies. Most pagan faiths permit female temple holders regardless of gender law; exceptions are noted below. Penalty to moral authority (-15%) and to mission. Press question mark to learn the rest of the keyboard shortcuts. Reformation tends to grant benefits of stability and the capacity to declare wars on larger-scale targets that smaller pagan nations couldn't attack, but lose many of the benefits that would help a small pagan nation expand more readily or defend itself from larger targets. Can't agree with stability doctrine, tech and artifacts lower short reign penalty so it is not worth to take it, and as I said from my experience it is easy to overcome. I've gained several kingdoms w/o trying to; I was just trying to get their bloodlines in my main line. Unrelenting also ignores unreformed pagan attrition but we can easily overcome it with tech later in game. There are no Hellenic rulers at any start date, but Hellenism can be revived in several ways: There is one special pagan faith that normally only appears in-game as the listed religion of long-dead historical figures. I would suggest against prepared invasions/warmongering as it leads to rather unstable vassals, and generally does not benefit you personally as the leige as you will far exceed the maximum realm size requirement. (AI rulers are likely to accept the reformed religion if cynical, same dynasty as the reformer, or under control of a reformed ruler.) Both my character and Christianity are based. It has a synergy with incest doctrine making us high god of our religion. Is it really cheesy/gamey though? While you're spreading religion across the world, why not check out some of our other guides on Crusader Kings II. Also Hellenic religion lacks concubines. No females in the council. Pagans follow the old polytheistic traditions, spurning the Abrahamic and Indian religions' talk of a segregation between physical and spiritual realms in favor of polytheistic physical gods.. Pagan non-nomads normally requires the Old Gods or Holy Fury DLC to be playable. +15 vassal opinion. Thats all for now! No female temple holders. Right now before I will be able to even convert rest of my provinces, they already do it.*. Interfaith marriage is unavailable. Rulers can order subject to Take the Vows. The new reformation system allows players to build their religion for their preferred play-style and to combine incompatible characteristics. The strongest position for the faith is at the 867 bookmark, where the Tibetan Empire has fractured and Bn kings of Guge & -Tsang hold large areas of the Tibetan plateau under their control. Autonomous leadership also enables four branches: With the new reformation system, some synergies occur which present new abilities or opportunities to characters of this specific reformed religion. I used it in my game Tengri Horde Jurchen Reformed Bon Chinese Empire and just dominated silk road. Uuugghhh. Raiding unavailable if culture doesn't allow raiding. Access to monastic feudal government with Tibeto-Burman culture group. Agnatic, agnatic-cognatic, cognatic laws are restricted. You are using an out of date browser. Top tier for me are Catholicism/Fraticelli and the Muslim ones. The principal ability of defensive pagans (Romuva, Slavic, Suomenusko & African) is a tremendous boost in combat when fighting on home ground. But later, feudal realms grow their income more quickly, while raiding becomes less feasible as targets consolidate. Reformed offensive pagans no longer lose prestige when at peace. It's hard for me to rate a largely RNG mechanic highly. I never tried Astrology and Haruspicy, I think they have the same amount of events as bloodthirsty gods, but I have yet to try them. And raised levies opinion penalty only really counts if you are at war all the time. [1] These are not immediately obvious before reformation, or even immediately upon reformation. Rulers can spend 500 Prestige and 150 Piety to increase courtier or own attributes. I like equality. Alternatively, feudal kings and emperors can enact the "Full Council Authority" law and adopt feudal elective succession. They also cannot reform to Feudalism or a Merchant Republic unless they Reform or convert to a non-pagan religion. It's a bit of a challenge but shouldn't be too much for any player with a bit of experience. Sometimes simple solutions are the best. Unyielding: This would be my number one if I had to chose. Recommended Posts. Sons of Ragnarok is combination of two bad doctrines, if we dont pick it, we will still retain ability to have viking trait and coastal county conquest cb, however, we will lose river sailing and prepared invasion ability which we dont need later in game ( and AI can close rivers for us by having enough fort level in river counties). The reason I don't like to pick it is that the bonuses apply to my vassals and makes them much stronger. Bn rulers are playable with either Jade Dragon, The Old Gods, or Holy Fury. Hierocratic and Autocephalous is a good way when we don't want to bother much with religious head but want to have high MA. Monasticism is definitely top tier, as it allows you to make any succession law work the way you want, not to mention the flat learning boost. If tribal, remember that demesne counties which are still following the old faith will give less tax and levies. Two of the religion's holy sites are located within de-jure Lithuania (with another site close by), making it one of the easier pagan religion to reform. I enjoy and make videos of strategy games, RPGs, and more usually in the form of crazy challenge runs, character roleplaying, or other ways to spice things up. The version without a religious head and Great Holy War becomes a heresy and is called the "Old" version of the religion. Certain pagans have access to additional succession laws. Pagans are able to hold religious feasts (except Tengri/African). Eldership succession law is allowed. Bn is also unlocked by Jade Dragon, and Horse Lords allows playing of pagan nomadic rulers. Except if you have founded bloodines with male rulers already. Expect frequent raids and wars between realms that accept the new faith and those that reject it. When the religion is reformed, rulers of the faith may choose to accept or reject the new order of things. Community Patch with Improved Genetics 2.0 and Other Mods, Pagan Ancestor and Sea King Bloodline Changes, https://ck2.paradoxwikis.com/Bloodline#Ancestor_Veneration_Bloodlines. C. Civilized/Religious Tax: The best Doctrine you can possibly pick. That deserves recognition. Easily the best for power gaming, as you can directly target Great Holy Wars, and don't . A generic Pagan faith is used in the history files to represent everyone from pre-Christian Irish kings to pre-Islamic Arabs. The Zunists are unique in that they are somewhat of a hybrid of the Offensive and Defensive; generic Paganism grants no bonuses. I always found piety to be very uselful here, excommunication is a very powerful tool if you use it strategically. However, it is good when you expanded before reformation, and want to settle down and rely more on our vassals and domain rather than stats of our ruler. Hellenic). Enatic-cognatic law is available. Agnatic law is enforced, open succession law is unlocked. Duke-tier religious head common for all realms. Bn is also unlocked by Jade Dragon, and Horse Lords allows playing of pagan nomadic rulers. Generic Pagan rulers cannot be created with Ruler Designer but there are few events in game which spawn Pagan courtiers to game, which permit granting of titles or education of children. Sacrifice action (unless Peaceful). Basically we attack opposite gender ruler, depose him/her and force our gender law on their realm. Other pagan faiths have different modifiers. Bear in mind that in 1066, Novgorod is Christian, and the Rurikid dynasty which holds it has multiple potential allies from other dynasty members. Late to the party but I like this one; for the purpose of acquiring bloodlines. I would say go with the form of paganism you like best. Note: This is ONLY to be used to report spam, advertising, and problematic (harassment, fighting, or rude) posts. All other ideologies are trash. Possibility for a woman to take consorts is disallowed even if other traits should unlock it. Incompatible with Agnatic Clans, Harmonious, Equality, Polygamy and Meritocracy doctrines. Levy size bonus from unreformed Aztec faith will be lost. Inbreeding can be offset with concubines/polygamy. Some Religions (Germanic) keep +30% Levies when they reform and will only loose it through unyielding. Religious Control Mandate law is unavailable. This is in addition to the pagan homeland attrition penalty, which forces the large numbers of troops needed to invade a defensive pagan home territory to face severe attrition for the duration of any siege. Heir Designation is allowed (if at least one of Rajas of India or Jade Dragon is enabled). I'd suggest backing up a copy of your save game at the point where you can reform the religion and then trying a few combinations. For Power, Divine Marriage is average. I feel it is a waste of slot and good for role play only. "Why would you want infidels to tolerate you? +80% Defense and +80% morale for all units if fighting in county of this religion. Create an account to follow your favorite communities and start taking part in conversations. Engage in courtly intrigue, dynastic struggles, and holy warfare in medival Europe, North Africa, the Middle East, India, the steppes and Tibet. I like this feature but it's tough to convert others outside your realm. These doctrines can be picked no matter the reformer's religion. Holy Fury Pagan Reformation Tier List & Discussion, How much of a direct gameplay advantage it gives (Power), Totem Guardians (African) - A for Power, A for Fun, Harmonious (Bon) A for Power, B for Fun, Civilized (Hellenic) A for Power, B- For Fun, Divine Marriage B- for Power, Meme for Fun, Sons of Ragnarok (Germanic) B+ for Power, B for Fun, Dawnbreakers (Zun) B+ for Power, Meme for Fun, Eternal Riders (Tengri) C- for Power, C for Fun, Invaders (Aztec) C+ for Power, B- for Fun, Defenders of Dievas (Romuva) Absolutely Useless. Also you can give away the title, the best way would probably be as a viceroyalty. Harmonious expands our pool of talent but makes it harder to stack bloodlines due to disallowed cousin incest. Daring is a good way to lose moral authority because AI is incompetent, and we as a player will need prepared invasion only once (maybe twice). Youre all but guaranteed the successor you want, and unlike Open succession you dont have to worry about your AI heir doing stupid things when you land them. Keeping moral authority high is also a problem due to weak realms who often lose religious wars. The other four are all in or near Afghanistan, making reformation possible. However, its 10% bonus attack for all our troops so it is not that bad I guess, just weird. The other pagan faiths have a duke-level religious leader who becomes a vassal of the reforming ruler, similar to the Orthodox religion's patriarch. I think Polygamy would be powerful. By doing a Pagan Reformation, the player decides to change the way their religion works for their CK2 playthrough. Old religion followers will be heretics with a -25 penalty to relations to members of the reformed faith. Historically, the pagan faiths were gradually supplanted by Christianity, Islam, Dharmic religions, and Eastern religions, but this does not necessarily happen in the game. Tengri and Aztec pagans do not have defensive attrition (though Tengri invaders can ignore it). So is it bug or is it not a bug? There's a mod that fixes this. With Holy Fury, the Hellenic and Bn faiths can be reformed. Once your account is created, you'll be logged-in to this account. Germanic pagans do especially well since they get free ships, can navigate rivers, and are close to prime raiding targets. The faith is widespread in early starting dates, and some of the realms, such as Croatia, are already feudal rather than tribal. Germanic pagans do not have to reform to create the Jomsvikings; instead, they must control Stettin, Wolgast, Rgen or Werle.). The default succession law for tribal unreformed pagans is elective gavelkind. 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