Many english words have their origin in latin , greek and of course hebrew I say Amen out of tradition but I also say Let it be so Sean I am not against understanding some Hebrew for the meanings of the words are obviously important just as in english. 2 (1) If a prophet or someone who gets messages while dreaming arises among you and he gives you a sign or wonder, 3 (2) and the sign or wonder comes about as he predicted when he said, Lets follow other gods, which you have not known; and let us serve them, 4 (3) you are not to listen to what that prophet or dreamer says. And some smack you in the face. This is nothing short of anti semitism at its ugly form of Christianity think twice of your hate filled speech, hitler did all he could in the name of Christianity, the catholic church caused great division amongst the true brethren in the name of Christianity. It is simply astounding how the OT fully supports the NT and the NT expounds upon the OT instructionsit is like perfect harmony! Do Messianic Jews support the secular state of Israel and the United States as their Godly ally ? Others at worst ignore the scriptures and claim the instructions God gave have been done away with but then they complain because they are plagued by secret sins. We decided to do everything scripture told us to do and when something changed, THEN and only then would we. 119 gives these two examples because the first is the accusation the 2nd is defense. Thank you. Ive saved a screenshot!). You say its hypocritical for believers to condemn Christians for worshipping on Sunday. Amen. to fall (of violent death) Faith without works is sterile ..it can not reproduce . Actual Messianic Jews believe that. Good things happen to people of all beliefs. You are going to have to define grace so I know what you mean when you use the word. I thought the law was done away with and all food was clean and the law was nailed to the cross and blah, blah, blah! In other words, you have been saved (begun) by the Spirit, how can you think your sanctification will happen by the flesh (i.e. ALEPH. Not one mention of Jesus Christ with so many words. As clarified by many true scholars, the moral law of God (greatest two commandments) does not change, yet the law of Moses has been clarified by Christ and even corrected in Matthew 19:8 relating to a certificate of divorce. Maybe you should consider the history of liberal theology and its connection to feminism from Schleiermacher to Fiorenza. If you continue in the letter to the Galatians..in that 3rd chapter you quoted above. The issue people make of the writings of Paul is it becomes loosely interpreted as any kind of flesh you choose to eat. This is what happened at Sinai. I studied and later on I came across 119 ministries. Did I miss that video? They teach people how to be seen as great in the kingdom of heaven. Yet Satan tried to replicate his own version of the trinity, as seen in the book of Revelation, through the Dragon, the Beast, and the False Prophet. I would like to go on record that this is a new study for me ( I am into the study about 1 and a half years) and I still have much to learn. The new covenant living Torah gave me an entirely new life due to HIM making and transforming me into a New Creation. It was a matter of us, Yahweh and the Scripture collaborating to reveal the truthcan you think of a better setting? 19 So whoever disobeys the least of these mitzvot (commandments) and teaches others to do so will be called the least in the Kingdom of Heaven. Who was the spotless lamb. So I have had to resort to mostly praying. And love God. I keep the right to change my position if I am shown convincing scripture along with prompting by His Spirit which I pray I allow to lead me and you to all truth. Its simply an exercise in futility. That would be the OLD way of living. Once you get past the double negatives and indirect language, the concluding statement contradicts itself, contradicts statements earlier in the text, and contradicts the title. I started studying the Hebrew Roots Movement about seven years ago, and 119 is one of the newer but more prolific 'ministries . praise be to the most High. Hello! What about Mehenam, son of Hezekiah? Entry for Strongs #4137 , 1. to make full, to fill up, i.e. Pride? Jesus Himself holds the keys to death and hades.Read Isa. If you had done your homework, you would know that I was using lexical aids such as Bauer, Mounce, Kubo, Armstrong, Busby, and BDB while you were still in middle school or even elementary school. Into my adult years Ive read, and studied a lot of different religions and beliefs. For real. (Aside: you and John McKee were two young men mocking an elder of the people.) Fill in your details below or click an icon to log in: You are commenting using your WordPress.com account. Scholars have proven this. 1) Refer to 119 Ministries teaching entitled Pleroo the Law. No?well just what do you think it means to not be under the law? The names tell a story of service and sacrifice. Are you? And in turn it can seriously hinder their biblical beliefs? -Matthew 10:18 And for the record, many of the leaders or teachers in that movement are former Baptist and Pentecostal pastors (some leading Christian churches anywhere from 20-45 years) who found that church doctrine just didnt line up with Scripture in its original context. The tragic part is, 119 HAS scriptural truth but their TONE often creates a very negative feeling and makes people defensive. Sixth, I advise that usury be prohibited to them, and that all cash and treasure of silver and gold be taken from them Now if you were in my realm of influence and you took notice that I did not and others around me did not eat Pork or that we did not partake of the Pagan Festivals, I would simply educate you on what the scriptures fully say on the matters. And I experience Gods presence everyday! I believe under the law means under condemnation that the law demands in breaking the commandments of God. 4 They sit among the graves and spend the night in caverns; they eat pig meat and their pots hold soup made from disgusting things. The flavor of 119 is elitist and attempts to, at the very least, demean those who oppose them and quite possible damning the same. I have found their words inviting when they say test everything. In fact the entire book of Hebrews is Gods love to encourage Messsnic believers going thru persecution just prior to the destruction of the second Temple ..and Jerusalem! It is only natural to get a clear understanding of things to resort back to its original text. ALL. Its important that men understand women are looking for a fathers love and not get screwed. beginning. We really need a Charles Spurgeon nowadays, not ear-ticklers. Anyhoo Ive met enough crazy RCs in my lifetime that live one way during the week but get saved every Sunday at Confession to say they just dont compare to ALL the HR people. His commandments which is strongs H6680 mitsvah meaning the instruction of how we love God & man. The real travesty is not being open to the Spirits direction regarding the Word and claiming a superior understanding of Scripture without properly or sufficiently citing scripture, Hebrew and Greek definitions, proper context, etc. I have personally discussed issues with these men and I disagree with some things and others they are right on point scripturally, historically, and otherwise. No one is asking you to keep the Lords commandments and laws without the blood of the lamb. (2Pe 3:14) So then, beloved ones, looking forward to this, do your utmost to be found by Him in peace, spotless and blameless, Jesus taught matters of the heart as reflected in the Sermon on the Mount; i.e., anger in ones heart (vs. murder), adultery in the heart (vs. physical act), vows of the heart (vs. oral pledges), praying for enemies (vs. extracting eyes and teeth), etc. Whereas those who see the Scriptures the way the Sovereign God of Israel meant them to be seen (through ancient Hebrew eyes) are drinking pristine water from a mountain spring, uncontaminated by the false doctrines of men: I also think that many modern-day Christians would be surprised by the fact that Gentile Christians in the 1st century attended worship services in their local synagogues, especially if the rabbis read from the Greek translation of the Tanakh (Septuagint). After more study and looking into the 1119 ministries and the Hebrew Root movement, I also believe them to be a cult.. If, like many Christians believe, Rav Shaual had written against the Torah or any other part of the Holy Scriptures, then that would have made him a pathological liar and a false prophet. Christians were first introduced by God in Acts 11:26. I am not talking about religion, which I made explicitly clear in my response to you; yet you refer to the ministry of death and condemnation ( 2 Cor.3) like it has any input into my personal relationship with God. But the good news is that we are GRAFTED IN to Israel according to Apostle Paul in Romans 11. Having an open mind doesnt mean having a hole in my head so that my brain can leak out. Loving God and loving our neighbour are the two that all the others hang from (implied attachment there not separation) and those are the two overriding factors in our living out Gods instructions on a) how He wants to be shown love, and b) how He wants us to show love to our neighbour.) God bless you! May the Father by his Holy Spirit reveal the complete Truth to you. As Dale Carnegie said A man convinced against his will is of the same opinion still.. Til then, youre just another feminized waster of what warriors created. Dont follow the words of a man. The quality of that relationship is always the childs responsibility. Just the opposite, they have demonstrated time and again, through the scriptures, that following the Law is simply the response after being saved by grace. THOSE were the burdensome laws that were noted, not Gods found in the OT Torah. And if the root is holy, so are the branches. I do not believe the torah which Abraham obeyed and kept in Genesis 26:5 is the same unchanging torah written finally written for Moses. Does any of you truly have room to judge when you are all adhering to beliefs that began not with Jesus and His Apostles, but 1500 years later by people who removed books from the Bible, dispensed with the sacraments Jesus established, and taught things that had never been allowed in the Church from New Testament times forward. A few of the heresies of 119 Ministries. Pleroo is most certainly used in the context to fill up, to fully preach and the logic 119 uses is sound as a test. And how is it wrong to keep the Sabbath that God told us to keep (not Rome) especially when the Apostle are noted in 8 different places in the Epistles of KEEPING the 7th day Sabbath. I thought to myself, Why would our Creator allow for us to keep all the other commands, but do away with one? Why appoint times for special feasts to be held that were meant to be everlasting only to do away with them later? Why do people feel that the commands of God are considered burdensome or to be in bondage? If we were given Ten Commandments and are taught about them from early on, why do we teach later that we still have Ten Commandments, but only live by nine? Or do you believe this is an acceptable interpretation of the Word of God? So consider that after a bride and groom make their vows to each other they then go about FULFILLING those vows. You claim to be a teacher of the Law and know it not? However I do not condemn them for worshipping on Sunday. I found it interesting to read your recent post. Then they teach followers of Jesus (Yeshua) to obey ALL of the laws of God. Its no coincidence that Yeshua said that not everyone who calls him Lord belongs to him, or will enter the Kingdom of Heaven. So my advice is stick to God and His word. Because they test everything to scripture, not manmade doctrine and traditions. David being just one example of Gods grace. So the Messiah was telling his disciples to follow the law. Jesus says himself he was only sent unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel. 5 They say, Keep your distance, dont come near me, because I am holier than you. These are smoke in my nose, a fire that burns all day! I have a feeling that your material will be sure to get through to him! So there goes that. Please read the word, understand before you spread confusion and bitterness. If you love the father you will desire to fulfill his will everyday. It saddens me that so many people read into a good ministry that is spreading truth and wisdom from the whole Bible and call it a cult Just so it makes them feel better about their salvation I test every word and have found it true and as far as the calendars we should be going by Gods calendar and not our own The great falling away is the falling away from the truth and the laws The 10 Commandments are still Gods law which most say we are not supposed to follow them!!! high priest give sacrifices for their sins CONTINUOUSLYyear after year.Yahshua/Jesus did it ONCE AND FOR ALL.HALLELUJAH. Well, we have this the gate is narrow, not wide! I went to church and bible study frequently as a child and a young adult. Who was the first covenant given to? Following His law is the fruit of our salvation as it is obedience to HIM! I really dont have time to get involved in the larger debate, and Im sure that, instead of showing me from the Bible you would only refer me to videos produced by 119 Ministries anyhow, 9 But avoid stupid controversies, genealogies, quarrels and fights about the *TORAH;* because they are worthless and futile. Remember to stay in the Word yourself so you can stay strong. 18 For if the inheritance is based on law, it is no longer based on a promise; but God has granted it to Abraham by means of a promise. Gal. But rather, by our faith in Christ, we are saved, and that should result in obedience, because we have been saved from breaking the Law. I have honestly not kept them. Forgiveness of sin is totally due to the none party New Covenant in Jesus blood. But the point needs to be made that parts of Christianty are indeed keeping much of Gods law I mean, why tithe if youre not supposed to keep THAT law? Paul didnt die for you. 119 never claims to be rightthey simply invite consideration and our own meticulous testing. Having begun by the Spirit, are you now being perfected by the flesh? Are there only two choices? Psalms 104:19 clearly tells us the seasons/moedim are to be obeyed according to the moon. I was attempting to communicate that Isaiah 11:10 is true. Arguing with you is like arguing with a Scientologist or any other cult member whose foundation is something other than the Bible. Below, Rodney Griffin shares what that moment when he sat down to pen the words to "Run To The Door.". So why do I believe 119 only gives the two choices in presenting their belief? 2) Please stop misrepresenting the Hebrew Roots movement and Messianic Jewish people with one broad brushstroke. There are other words even found in the Greek manuscripts that could not be translated and only the Hebrew is given. 20 For I tell you that unless your righteousness is far greater than that of the Torah-teachers (scribes) and Prushim (Pharisees), you will certainly not enter the Kingdom of Heaven! In the context it cannot mean i have not come to bring and end to the law, i have come to bring the law to an end i.e. You are CHOOSING to dismiss that evidence based on a conspiracy theory. Theres one student there whos been a part of the Hebraic Roots movement for as long as Ive known him and maybe longer. I am requesting that people STOP doing three things: 1) Please stop throwing around the word CULT for anything that is not traditional Christianity. May it never be! Lisa, Jealous because many Christians read the Holy Scriptures with a Greco-Roman mindset and want us Jews to do the same? His grace can cover where we get it wrong. And another challenged me, and another and so I decided to prove them wrong. Do you want logical, scriptural truth? And therefore not in line with Gods will? If someone only wants to defend their position, it will fall on deaf ears. My husband is someone completely different. I speak of Chanukah and Purim (there are others). [1] Moreover, he proposed What shall we Christians do with this rejected and condemned people, the Jews:[1] The Holy Spirit given on Pentecost, the comforter which will teach you all things, we love God because he first loved us, we want to be obedient to his instructions (torah) because that shows God we want to do things HIS way not ours. Once the sin was revealed by the Law, it shows/proves our need for a Savior. i was trained at a conservative Baptist college and understand that you have been misinformed as i, and most Christians today, yes, i now believe that Peters vision was not about food at all, but about the gentiles, so i am now trying hard not to eat any pork or shellfish, or catfish, darn it!!!!! A new commandment I give to you, that you love one another, even as I have loved you, that you also love one another. In the case of 119 and the Hebrew Roots however, they are the ones that enter the building still wearing construction gear and hard hats because all of the regulations still apply. If you read prophecy, you will see the feasts as well as the 7th day Sabbath will be kept in the Millennium. Sean, if you want something to think about, check out Lets Get Biblical by Tovia Singer. 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