Now you seem to be hating on John McCain who enlisted, was shot down, and tortured at the Hanoi Hilton. Parent.2. She said Manson supposedly announced it was "time" (seemingly out of the blue) for Helter Skelter. Later, Robert Kasabian contacted Linda and invited her to meet him in Los Angeles. Because there was no doubt that I knew that what was ever going to happen here was not going to be good. The point is not why Sharon didn't run. Yes. Linda Kasabian, born in Biddeford, Maine on June 21, 1949, is a former member of the Charles Manson Family. !--CALIFORNIA got rid of the death penalty!!! But it also denotes the paradox that was the Family. She droved straight to New Mexico, where her husband was living with another woman. (One) - wallet - brown plastic with misc. Question: Did Deemers know what he was talking about? She stole money from her friends to impress people she knew for days. But no I am do not reject HS out of hand. HS crawled in 4th out of 6.Personally, I suspect that the ease and commonality with which Helter skelter is dismissed reflects a discomfort with the notion of God communicating, religion and the spiritual realm being taken seriously. look at there high school pics- they had the same kid of background as me lol. The involvement of Susan and Gypsy in the Shorty affair has come to light too. Manson Mythos saidThere is an interesting quote from Fleischmann in an issue of the Free Press prior to Kasabian becoming the star witness. He is expressing his opinion just like RH, me, you, Saint, etc. Her marriage later fell apart. Everyone can form their own about Linda. Manson Blog Proves that Tenerelli Was Not a Gypsy Joker! This marriage too did not prove to be stable and Linda Kasabian returned to stay with her mother in New Hampshire. Kind'a seems like whenever there's room to squeeze in a little speculation, that is exactly what becomes the imagined TRUTH.BTW: Dreath has a good point - a "good" DA could have gotten THEM all with a "robbery" charge. Hell no, it wasn't even life in jail at the time, it was death in the gas chamber.Please offer some proof that this or something similar is the case. Those people would have gone unpunished, and were very capable of murdering again, especially Watsonwhich as far as I can see was a good thing. He didn't. [Off course he goes adding a third objection. That is o.k. Leslie told Marvin Part what she believed.Marvin Part thought she was mad.Part taped her and asked her questions that brought the very answers that had led him to the conclusion she was a lunatic.Part wanted the Judge to hear the tape but he refused and ordered 3 psychiatrists to listen to it to see if they felt she was fit to stand trial.Leslie herself refused to be examined by any psychiatrists because as far as she was concerned she was perfectly sane.Leslie fired Marvin Part.The events mash rather than bear out your assertion.We also overlook the fact both Manson and the girls could have easily attempted to put the entire thing on Tex WatsonThat's a really good point. 3. She has always maintained at hearing she knew nothing about that being a motive and says she thought it was a robbery.Nice jab at Trump supporters too. Their involvement in the murders was soon discovered. She mentioned to the Grand Jury that there were to be 2 death squads. Overlooking the fact that Atkins sold him out pretty fast and Leslie lined up right behind her to do the same by puttin' on the crazy brainwashed act with Marvin Partwhich Tex actually did to, although failed.We also overlook the fact both Manson and the girls could have easily attempted to put the entire thing on Tex Watson. The recent revelation of the close proximity of the apartment where Saladin Nader allegedly lived and the HQ of the Straight Satans is something that cannot be dismissed as pure Coincidence.When one looks at this case, it's almost miraculous that Vincent Bugliosi had a scenario that answered so many important questions and that the answers all seemed to help his case greatly. At the age of sixteen, she married but it ended in a divorce. ;) Their are people who will help and motivate you if you seek them just as there are people who will be happy to drag you down if you let them. Very Well Saidand again. The good guys are the victims, the bad guys are the killers. Look at the words Mr. Fleischman uses- I see him convincing her she needed to be a prosecution witness and helping her knock Atkins out of the box. Life With The Manson Family Los Angeles Public Library The Manson compound on Spahn Ranch. Apparently, NONE was left over for witness research OR a private investigator.On 60 minutes last night they highlighted the story of a Black man who WRONGLY spent 30 years in prison, because HIS lawyer NEVER asked to have the supposed GUN (found in his mother's home) TESTED to see if the GUN bullets MATCHED the ones used on the VICTIM.OOPS, apparently back in the day, BLACK lives and Hippies didn't matter.When Clem had to appear in Court for a "rented" van left in a Death Valley ditch, Irving took HIM to a Salvation Army store for a proper fitting. I don't care if it's ten seconds, ten minutes or an hour. It is time for the oppressed minorities and especially the black man to throw off the continued vestiges of slavery and seize what is rightfully theirs- take back the fruits of their 200 years of slave labor. Besides, counsellor, J. Edgar Hoover head your the FBI agrees with me. Mrs. Kasabian said after she saw Frykowsky killed, she thought of Manson and her daughter, Tanya, now 2 1/2. I don't care if it's ten seconds, ten minutes or an hour. It's intriguing if nothing else. You can correct me on that one. Might be a good post though. Both have different conclusions.I don't know what you get from that but I know what I get from that. All is goodI do believe she was largely accurate for the parts that mattered. Leslie told Marvin Part there were to be 2 death squads. His case went like this:"Charles Manson sent out from the fires of hell at Spahn Ranch three heartless, bloodthirsty robots and--unfortunately for him--one human being, the hippie girl Linda Kasabian." AND were there NOT enough "pigs" in Chatsworth ? St Circumstance saidThey have a need for HS to be wrong. I guess almost all is fair in love and war. That's because sometimes, my thoughts on part of something that someone has said aren't formulated at the moment that I'm answering but other things that have been said have sparked off my train of thought or brought up an answer or a question.Other times, I'll need to do a bit of research so an answer won't be forthcoming straight away.Other times, just in general thought, I might have a sudden insight on something someone has said because I've been thinking about it; but that might be days later.I hope that's what you mean. Testifying before the jury that it was all them and Charlie had nothing to do with it isn't exactly the best way to demonstrate the prosecutor was wrong. Those failed strategies are ineffective in bringing about change. How perfect did the stars align for the prosecutor that there was one angel among the group. When really, the main reason most people hate them is that they represent a male patriarchy. The big question: How do WE know she wouldn't kill? I believe she was not and the same applies on my end. It's not a fair or valuable trait to have.we are trained to disregard the Parry Mason notion of courtrooms: someone actually out and out lying on the witness standThat makes good sense and allows for nuances. There are so many times when he asks Linda if she has understood the question. Great stuff, Dreath! Linda married again, this time to a hippie named Robert Kasabian. THUS, when America finally converts to a pure "socialist" society, "money won't mean anything" and "Helter Skelter" will become a moot issue in such a highly progressive society.BTW; It was Charles Manson who said: "money won't mean anything and the people on the bottom will be on the top." And to ziggy, Lynne penny and the rest you are welcome and thank you your comments mean a lot and inspire me. She was instructed to wait outside and stand guard, while the rest went inside and killed Sharon Tate, Jay Sebring, Wojciech Frykowski and Abigail Folger. I have for the past many years looked at these crimes from the prospective of how I might have handled the defense. I am and was a good friend of Linda's. When Larry King asked her if at any point she asked Manson why are we doing this and why are these people being killed, she was at a total loss for words until Bugliosi spoke up and answered for her. But Bugliosi's write up of it makes it sound like a sensational groundbreaking moment that was obvious to all.I was made to live in Nigeria at the age of 14 without being informed {I was on holiday}. "She obviously neglected to mention that she got into Steven Parent's car. Maybe you should judge what you think based on your own heart and not others. Your Resource for the Tate-LaBianca (TLB) MurdersYesterday :: Today :: Tomorrow :: Where No Sense Makes Sense. That's hardly her doing. All is good. I felt like Million dollar Mafiaoso Attorney as I pranced into the Lord's House for some good old American made justice.Thank You Clem: I won't tell ANYONE it's the clothes that make you judicially savvy. Linda explained what had happened, and said that she couldn't have brought Tanya because it would've looked too suspicious. BUT even self-hate can have positive results and be a driving force for good.Supposedly there has been ONLY one person planted on this earth who was ALL good, but even HE committed assault & battery on "innocent" victims. That's what makes this incident get a 'don't make no sense' label from me. ?I've stated many a time that my heart goes out to many people on all sides of this saga.But TLB blogs aren't essentially about the relatives of the victims are they ? Member of the Manson Family (born 1949) Add links. There again, some of us have brothers, sisters, Dads, Mums, cousins, close friends etc that are in that vein and we still love them just the same and haven't yet abandoned them, though it may have been touch and go sometimes. So here comes the leading question.]Q. Even if all the things said about her are true in terms of immunity and self interest, that doesn't change that. As soon as Atkins testifies Bugliosi has a pretty good case against Kasabian. (click for details). Maybe some of you can pound beers everyday and do your bowls and never have a bad thought. St Circumstance saidit just seems strange to me that nobody is willing to consider it at all, as even a possibilityI'm not nobody !Do you not think there is a difference between a person like Ruth who was 15 when her father starting using hard drugs with her and in front of her, and encouraging her to have sex with older strangers WINDING UP hanging around the wrong crowdAnd a single mother like Linda who has parents willing to help her stay out of trouble and encourage her not to be in trouble yet consistently throughout her life CHOOSES to be with the wrong crowd??? At the age of 16, Drouin dropped out of high school and got married, and soon after, divorced. Pat didn't know {she's said that several times} and as far back as '69, even before the Grand jury, Susan said in an interview with Richard Caballero, "We were instructed to go to this particular house. Linda gave birth to a daughter Tanya in 1968. Even to this day, what makes HS so strong is that it kept on coming up. She was Yana the Fatty in high school I see. The mission, ladies and gentlemen, the mission of these defendants on both nights, was murder. The family often had financial difficulties because of her father's low income. Now is the time + (2.) Grim, I read Col Scott's piece when putting this together because I found something that led me there- might have been googling Fleischman. As Linda heard people screaming for their lives, she ran to the main house. I would have testified without a deal" translates when the evidence is revealed to 'I'm not talking even if the sky falls (but I will for immunity)". tobin james the blend 2017 ; real estate marketing solutions; linda kasabian daughter tanya; lassi kefalonia shops linda kasabian daughter tanya LolI thought you sent me there for the motive bit. Matt, thanks so much for the warm welcome back :). Obama just pardoned a woman who was serving "life" in Federal prison for helping a friend to launder some "drug" money.So what can possess an otherwise normal human being to gamble with THEIR entire life on this earth, which is likely to be the REAL heaven. AND because Bugliosi, a judicial genius, says those phrases equal an attempt to ignite a Black and White race WAR, we got a HUGE problematic controversy.UNLESS Helter Skelter can make you more money than the word "robbery." Her Other Children Bob Kasabian Dreath saidyou have a tendency to 'move the goal posts' which makes responding to you rather difficultIf by that you mean that I seem to jump around on the subjects and quotes I'll comment on, that's true. And if so, in what context ? With the events leading up to the TLB murders, one is very naive to think the trip to Venice was just for no real reason. The key impact of both crimes is that Conspiracy to Commit Murder and Felony Murder do not require the defendant to actually kill anyone or even be present when someone is murdered to be guilty of murder. At the start of the trial he said "In this trial, we will offer evidence of Charles Manson's motives for ordering these seven murders. BUT Bugliosi said she (only she oddly) thought it was a creepy crawl mission.